Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

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Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:55 am

emperorofliberty wrote:Beyonder is massively multiverse to an insane degree but not omnipotent. Presence is canonically weaker than the the overvoid/primal monitor(same thing) Mother of existence is multiversal but not omnipotent
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3. Todd McFarlane himself created Mother of Existence to be the True God of the Spawnverse she is above and beyond ALL known characters within the series and has authority over it all.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:22 am

emperorofliberty wrote:
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emperorofliberty wrote:Beyonder is massively multiverse to an insane degree but not omnipotent. Presence is canonically weaker than the the overvoid/primal monitor(same thing) Mother of existence is multiversal but not omnipotent
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1) Beyonder was omnipotent... until molecule man came along. Him losing at the end proves he's not omnipotent. He also ran the risk of being banished by doctor strange.
2) Presence is canonically weaker than the overmonitor.
3) So she's multiversal+++ you can't really prove something to be omnipotent.
1. Beyonder never lost lol Molecule Man only destroyed a "Vessel" of the Beyonder and the energy molecule man redirected was going to cease all of creation even Jim Shooter left the beyond realm mysterious after Secret Wars 2 after Beyonder basically created his own verse but it was Marvel Tom deflaco who got butthurt that Jim was trying to "Establish God" and demanded Beyonder be "Written out" yet Marvel states he basically retconned everything and not just himself.
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and even then Brian Michael Bendis stated Cosmic Cube Beyonder wields Infinite Power as well.
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2. The Presence=Overmonitor it's just another aspect of the presence itself.

3. Todd Macfarlene made her to have "Infinite Power" and as she shown within spawn she knows all events past,present, and future and exist anywhere/anyplace she wants.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:26 am

1. Infinite Power is Omnipotence

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2. Lol DC has been stated the presence is the one in charge and the Overmonitor is just another aspect along with the voice,god hand, and the source (original).

3. Lol yes Omnipotent.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:09 am

emperorofliberty wrote:
Beyonder wrote:1. Infinite Power is Omnipotence

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2. Lol DC has been stated the presence is the one in charge and the Overmonitor is just another aspect along with the voice,god hand, and the source (original).

3. Lol yes Omnipotent.
1) Well you should change the tiering system since some infinities are higher than others. I suggest making it
Below normal existence
Below average human
Average human
Athlete
Peak Human
Building Level
Small City Level
City level
Mountain level
Nuclear level
Small country level
Country level
Continent level
Surface of planet level
Planet level
Large planet level
Small Star level
Star level
Large star level
Solar system level
Multisolar
Galactic
Multigalactic
Universal
High universal
Multiuniversal
Mid multiversal
Infinite multiversal
Complex multiversal
Outerversal
Beyond scientific definition
"True omnipotence"
Sound good?
2) Source?
Uh no....
no such thing as High Universal.....Mid Multiverse or complex and outerversal isnt even a real cosmology term at all thats a made up term by Vsbattles wikia because of me debunking the concept of Hyperverse.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:46 am

emperorofliberty wrote:High universal would be like destroying both time AND space rather than just space. Mid multiversal is lots but not infinite universes. Complex is a structure like the marvel megaverse. Outerverse is like the marvel omniverse.
That concept makes no sense......Without space there is no time.......Infinity from Marvel is aspect of Eternity like Oblivion is a Aspect of Death get rid of Infinity but Eternity still exists but get rid of Eternity then infinity doesnt exist either.

Mid Multiversal doesnt exist because it would have to be a confirmed number to be such a thing and science can't tell us this.

Complex Multiversal=/=Marvel Megaverse as Antvasima point blank stated neither are the same thing as he doesnt consider Megaverse a cosmology.

Omniverse>Outerversal

Outerversal to Vsbattles is just being beyond Dimensions.

Omniverse is everything/anything/all things that exist and even "Beyond dimensions".

Antvasima also stated he doesnt believe in the term Omniverse because of "Personal disagreements" with me so he basically past it on to the Vsbattles wikia.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:58 am

emperorofliberty wrote:1) yes but the kinetic force to blow up all matter in the universe is different than destroying a spacetime continuum
2) Mid multiversal is for a lot of universes, but a finite amount
3) Well ignore him does not matter. I'm not talking about vsbattles wiki.
1. If you destroy the Space-Time Continuum you basically destroy the universe.....

2. That sounds just basically like a Multi-Universe+ level term.

3. Your information is from Vsbattles.....Outversal doesn't exist....never has exist in any cosmology and Complex Multiverse or the others don't exist either if you search for Outversal you get Vsbattles links only.....if you search Complex Multiverse it will not show you anything relating to a Megaverse but to the basis of a Multiverse.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:12 am

1. Destroying all matter? just by destroying space-time continuum you end it the literal universe.

2. So i dont see using Multiversal to replace it.

3. We do use them lol it's just vsbattles that discard such terms because of personal bias.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:25 am

1. Destroying Time/Space>Matter......Lord of the Rings only has 1 powerful being tho.

2. Yeah that make no sense either because Multiverse is openly considered as "Infinite Universe" and by that term is a selective number.

Example someone can make a tier which can't truly be reached.....
1000000=Low Multiversal
2000000=Mid Multiversal
3000000=High Multiversal

which is all selective not every known Universe would be on these selective levels at all.

3. The tier on FBO 1st wikia is strictly powers and not destructive capacity.
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Re: Why are Presence, Mother of existence, and Beyonder omnipotent?

Post by Beyonder on Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:26 am

Shit....well ima have to go for a bit lol we can finish this hopefully tomorrow? and also if you wanna help out on the 2nd wikia please do you will help the increase.
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