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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:18 am

I don't have time to explain how wrong that all is.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:25 am

Seriously, how does Superman have the most destructive capacity when one guy has to try so hard not to blow up the planet, one guys surpassed a solar system buster, and Superman knocked himself out trying to blow up a moon.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:40 am

Goku on multiple occasions hit the planet with enhanced blasts......he ain't planet level.
Sentry stopped a being who can cut planets in half and he stopped his ax with ease
Superman hit FTL and bust a moon......faster than sentry+Goku and New 52 survived Darkseids planet level omega beams.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:45 am

You're sounding very biased. Goku holds back when he fights. He repelled a planet busting attack in the first place. You're saying just because he hasn't he can't. Superman cut a moon, he didn't obliterate it like Roshi or Piccolo. The feat you listed for Sentry is already above Superman. Goku outran light as a kid. Superman only survived the OB's because Darkseid didn't want to kill him, he wanted to test on him.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:27 pm

1. Your wrong......

Still above Goku......
2. I'm not being biased like I stated I have read and watched dbz as a child all I heard was hyperbole statements nothing shown from goku is planet level hell his game self in Budikai 2 SPLIT the moon that's a better feat than Anime/Manga goku.
3. Sentry isn't above superman.....sentry was easily handled by Hercules.
4. Darkseid still busted a planet and it hit superman......thats a double standards if you wanna say Goku "Repelled" a planet level attack that never been shown.

This is facts.....you can power scale characters on the wikifoundry but once you see how power scaling looks you'll understand.


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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:35 pm

The image didn't work, but I'm going to assume it was the other instance where he knocked himself out doing it.
Not above Goku. Kid Buu reformed from a 10X planet busting attack and he was beaten by Goku's attack.
He overpowered Vegeta's planet busting attack. He overpowered Piccolo's moon busting attacks. He's above Superman.
Not every blast he makes is a planet buster. Not every step Hulk takes shakes the Earth. There's a thing called holding back.
Now you're lowballing Sentry and focusing on low end feats.
Darkseid's blast wasn't intended to kill Superman, otherwise it would have. He didn't send out a planet busting beam, otherwise Earth would have been destroyed/
You're sounding very biased.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:50 pm

Yeah you mentioned KID BUU not goku and again that's statements not a fact.
Vegeta big bang attack on many occasions of hitting the earth NEVER busted anything and during the goku fight it was again a statement.....not a fact.
Piccolo lost to nappa a CITY BUSTER.
Goku isn't above superman specially new 52.
Not low balling sentry I posted the scan of him stopping the axe with half a palm....seriously that's a feat over GOKU.
I'm not being biased like I stated BEFORE its facts over statements and feats over speculation/hyperbole.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:59 pm

Dude, Kid Buu was fine after enduring planet++ busting attack but he was killed by Goku. How does that not prove it was a planet busting attack?
Big Bang isn't Vegeta's most powerful attack. Goku had to get Vegeta to aim upwards because he knew the Final Flash would blow up Earth.
Vegeta had already shown planet busting attacks when they we'rent even charged. That's not a statement, he easily blew up a planet.
Nappa's attack was far more than a city buster: http://i.imgur.com/TfhnBqZ.png
That's also a feat over Superman. When I compared Sentry to Goku, you went on about how much more powerful than Goku, but when I compared him to Superman you started focusing on his losses. That's lowballing and bias.
I fully admit Goku isn't the physically strongest one out of the three, but he has far more destructive capacity than either of the others.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:00 pm

Also, the Saiyans were initially planning on selling Earth, obviously Nappa wasn't gonna blow up the whole Planet
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:13 pm

And when Sentry and Hercules fought he was holding back.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:22 pm

And, while less than his current base form, Goku punched through a planet 10x as durable as Earth.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:33 pm

1. Kid Buu already show his capacity's not goku.
2. goku knew? Yet he knew he couldn't survive a planet attack? Meaning he cant survive a moon attck.
3. Many agree nappa busted a city.......
4. I never stated goku was more powerful than sentry......
5. I'm not low balling or being BIASED! Its the facts!
6. Lmao! Busting a island isn't really that much....
7. Actually they was on earth for the dragon balls Z and they WAS gonna spare it....once they had the wishes.
8. A held back Hercules would still rekt dbz.....
9. Goku was SS3......he wasn't at based....
10. King Kai Planet has the gravity of earth not the durability.....
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:33 pm

This basically like me using statements vs power scaling either way its inaccurate....
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:52 am

1. Kid Buu easily withstood a planet+++ busting attack, that means he had planet+ durability. He was killed by Goku's attack. That means he Goku got past planet+ durability, meaning it was a planet busting attack.
2. Goku knew the planet would be blown up, so he got Vegeta to aim upwards. How does this mean Goku didn't have the durability to survive a planet busting attack (something he showed in the Freeza saga) and when the fuck did we start talking about goddamn moons?
3. If the attack can be seen from space and covers a large portion of the Earth, it's more than a city busting attack. That wasn't even Nappa's strongest attack.
4. I didn't say you said Goku was more powerful than Sentry. I said you went on about how much more powerful Sentry is than Goku. Your reading comprehension is like, 4.
5. Yes, you clearly are.
6. When the fuck did I say anything about a goddamn island?
7. Yeah no.
8. Trying so hard to not insult you because that is one of the dumbest and most biased things I've ever heard. Then I guess a holding back Hercules would wreck Superman too.
9. At the end of BotG, Goku's base got stronger than the SSJ3 already shown in the movie. His base did much better against Bills after he went SSJ God than when he got two shotted at SSJ 3.
10. No> It has the durability of 10 Earths:
The first calculation is figuring out the Mass of the planet using gravity and radius since those are the two things we know. Then the next step is the Volume, using the radius. And the third and last, is Density, using the Mass and Volume we calculated.

Mass Formula:

Rearanged gravity formula to calculate mass instead (had to do short hand got formula from wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity

G = m/r^2
M = r^2 x g
Volume Formula:

V = (4/3) × pi × r^3

Density Formula:

P = M/V

List of Calculators Used:

Scientific Calculator - http://web2.0calc.com/
CM/G to M/KG Calculator - http://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-density-from-gpercm3-to-kgperm3.html
Density Calculator - http://www.smartconversion.com/unit_calculation/Density_calculator.aspx
Volume Calculator http://www.basic-mathematics.com/volume-of-a-sphere-calculator.html
Calculations:

G = m/r^2
M = r^2 x g
M = 0.0000156961230576^2 x 10
M = 0.0000000024636827904 Earth Masses
Earth's Mass = 5.97219 × 10^24 Kilograms
5.97219 × 10^24 X 0.0000000024636827904 = 14,713,581,723,998,976
M = 14,713,581,723,998,976 kg
This considers King Kai's Planet as 100M radius & X10 times Earth's Gravity.

The small number is the size of King Kai's Planet Radius in relation to Earths:

Volume of a Sphere is V = (4/3) × pi × r^3
V = (4/3) × pi × 100m^3 = 4188790.2047863905m^3
This is using King Kai's Planet as 100M radius.

Knowing the

Mass

and

Volume

we can get

Density:

P = M/V
P = 14713581723998976kg / 4188790.2047863905m^3
P = 3.512608892.9415128417291527 X 10^9 kg/m^3
Density of a White Dwarf Star: "The average density of matter in a White Dwarf must therefore be, very roughly, 1,000,000 times greater than the average density of the Sun, or approximately 10^6 g/cm3." Which translates to 10^9 kg/m^3. So in other words it is over 3.5 times as dense as a White Dwarf Star.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf

The Dimensions of the Planet don't matter, only the Density, since we are talking about a Punch, not a Ki Blast.

King Kai's planet is no more than 30 Meters in Diameter (Pixels-Scaling), but even if it is 40, 50 or 90 Meters, the order of Magnitude (physically talking), is still the same (i.e. 10).

Now, Gravitational Force of a planet is given by this Formula:

F = (G*M*m)/r^2

G is the Universal Gravitational Constant (6,67*10^-11 [m^3/(kg*s^2)];

M is the Mass of the Planet (M is the Generic Reference of Mass)

R is the Radius of the Planet (or Distance between the two Mass's Centers)

Since King Kai's Gravitational Force is X10 times the Earth's Gravitational Force, we have Fk (Gravitational Force of King Kai's Planet) X10 times bigger than Fe (Earth's Gavity):

Fk/Fe = [(G*Mk*m)/rk^2]/[(G*Me*m)/re^2] = 10

G and M are in commons and go away, so we have:

(Mk/rk^2)/(Me/re^2) = 10

Mass is Volume (V)*Density (D), with Volume (of a Generical Planet) = (4/3)*π*r^3;

Back to the Formula:

((4/3)*π*rk^3*Dk)/rk^2 = Fk and ((4/3)*π*re^3*De)/re^2 = Fe, so:

Fk/Fe = (Dk*rk)/(De*re) = 10.

The only unknown term is Dk (density of King Kai's planet), while we know De and Re of Earth and Rk = 15 meters (assuming a diameter of King Kai's planet of 30 m, as previously said).

So, Dk = 1,17*10^10 kg/m^3, while density of Earth (De) is 5,5153*10^3 kg/m^3, so the Density of King Kai's planet is around X2 Million times higher than the Density of Earth, and Goku Punched a whole hole throughout this material.

Even if King Kai's planet had the same Gravitational Force as Earth, the fact it has such a small Diameter would still imply a huge Density, and indeed it would still have a Density around 200,000 times larger than the Density of the Earth.

Indeed, what really matters when talking about Physical Punches is the Density, and AT, giving us a planet of a few meters of Diameter and with a Gravitational Force X10 times greater than the one on Earth, is indisputably giving us that previously said enormous level of Density.

Imaging taking a Cube of 1 Meter of each side of the following materials:

Average Sun Composition: It would weigh around 1.4 Tons.
Average Earth Composition: It would weigh around 5.5 Tons.
Core of the Sun Material: It would weigh 150 Tons.
King Kai's Planet Material: It would weigh around 10 Million Tons.
Neutron Star Material: It would weigh around 280,000 Billion(s) Tons.
Punching the Core of the Sun would obviously require inhumane Striking Power, regardless of how much Matter (in KG) you punch away. Even worse would be just trying to physically scratch the surface of a Neutron Star.

A not even Blood-Lusted SSJ3 Goku actually vaporizes (with one punch) a whole quantity of a material (which according to canon info about King Kai's planet) that has thousands of times the Density of the Sun's Core.

Thus punching through Earth material for Goku would be a joke for him ( it would be like punching thin air for us), and the Earth would collapse on itself.

This isn't power scaling, this is quantifying the feat.

11: I stopped using power scaling, and you're just trying to downplay everything I've listed.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:57 am

You took all that time for one post.......wow.....but I'm not down playing
How can we say goku is galaxy level if he never shown it?
How can we say goku is planet level if he never shown it?
This is like the whole Whis being Multi-Galaxy without a hint of proof.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:01 am

You're downplaying. From planet level attacks you got island and moon busting You're either downplaying or you can't read.
I never said Goku was galaxy level.
Goku already destroyed the Supreme Kai's planet. And I just showed you that Goku's striking was at the multi planetary level.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:10 am

Oh boy.......
In the Manga/Anime goku only showed island busting with the spirit bomb that's a given fact anything stating he is Planet level is mere statements by characters.

In the Game Budikai 2 in the cinematic video it was shown he split the moon in SS3 with a Kamekameha blast.

Also he busted though a small planetoid with high gravity......also Multi-Planetary means multiple life wiping......which was never shown

Planetary=Earths Surface
Planetary in terms of DC is Life Wiping.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:14 am

Might want to be more specific on what saga
The games aren't canon
Did you even read what I wrote? It doesn't matter how small it was, it was more durable than Earth by a long shot, Earth would collapse on itself. That's life wiping.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:15 am

And Superman has never showed destructive capacity close to what I showed for Goku.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:16 am

You used real life methods and theories vs a fictional community that has 0 logic.....
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:18 am

Then go ahead, go through it step by step and say why it's so wrong.
It's actually logical.
Disprove it, instead of saying I don't like it so it doesn't work.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:33 pm

Lol Superman would mop goku.
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Beyonder on Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:34 pm

Taskmaster wrote:Then go ahead, go through it step by step and say why it's so wrong.
It's actually logical.
Disprove it, instead of saying I don't like it so it doesn't work.
Easy.....akira doesn't use anything you linked here...
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Re: Son Goku Vs The Sentry

Post by Taskmaster on Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:16 am

So, that somehow defies physics? Lol no.
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